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Preliminary answers from SKÅNE SJÆLLAND LINUX USER GROUP (www.sslug.dk) to rapporteur Arlene McCarthys questions in WORKING DOCUMENT 11 June 2002: http://www.europarl.eu.int/meetdocs/committees/juri/20020619/471443EN.pdf Submitted by Erik Josefsson. Q1. One option that I don't think has been considered is to ask the EPO Enlarged Board of Appeal to solve the controversy: Are "technical realizations of non-inventions" patentable? This is remarkable, while there are many well documented cases of completely contradictory interpretations of EPC 52, and the TBAs are obliged by EPC 112 to forward important questions of interpretation to the EBA: http://www.sslug.dk/emailarkiv/patentdirektiv/2002_05/msg00038.html We have a well documented case where Swedish interpretation of patent law and EPO interpretation of EPC is completely contradictory. This apparatus is a technical realization of the logical problem of how to organize a queue http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/drawing.pdf?PN=EP0086199&PNP=US4675647&CURDRAW=1&DRDB=@RTDDRDB that was denied patent protection by all Swedish patent courts but granted a patent by the EPO. The Commission says that the proposed directive is needed because national and EPO court verdicts are divergent. However, the reason for this is not differences in law, as all EU member countries have identical laws with respect to the patentability of computer programs. Thus, further harmonisation of national patent laws on this issue is actually not possible. Q2. I would say the objective of the directive is not completely clear. It says it wants to exclude patents on business methods, but gives no legal structure to achieve this. The provision in article 3 that "computer-implemented inventions" belong to a field of technology makes a computer implemented business method patentable, since the performance of it involves the use of a computer and the features of it are realised by means of a computer program, which are the definitions of a "computer-implemented invention" by article 2.a. To see if the directive exclusion of business patents works, some examples of EPO business methods should be analyzed to see if the directive would exclude them or not. There are a lot of EPO-patents on business methods, so the analysis should be rather easy to do. Another objective of the directive is to stimulate innovation, but as far as I know, there is consensus among economists that they know very little about the effects of software patents, and if they know anything, software patents do not contribute to knowledge diffussion (which is a prerequisite of innovation). Also there are indications of that the purpose of the directive has not at all been understood. For example, the Danish government seem to think that the directive proposal will not broaden the scope of patentability, but rather narrow it. It is very hard to have a debate when the central terms have not been properly defined. And as mentioned above, the objective of harmonizing the national patent laws cannot be met, since the national patent laws cannot be more harmonized on this issue than they already are. Q3. No answer yet. Q4. Yes and no. You will certainly have no legal means to exclude patents on business methods. EPO has already granted business method patents in spite of EPC 52.2 (see Q2). Q5. At the IFRI conference in Paris 10-11 june, exactly this question was raised. Some economists answered that the USA more or less stumbled into business method patentability, and that EU should not follow a developement that was not really planned. Also, the following expansion of the US patent system was critizised on many levels of argumentation, see Brian Kahin: http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_1/kahin/index.html There seems to be a growing concern within the US that the patent practice has gone too far, and that something needs to be done to rectify the situation in the US. We should learn from the US experience, and avoid making the same mistakes. The EU is potentially a larger software market than the USA. Perhaps EU should take another path than the US and limit the patent system to areas where we know more about the effects. Everybody wants to limit the patent system in one way or the other. A reimplementation of EPC 52, perhaps with additions as suggested by FFII, should be considered as an option. Another problem addressed at the IFRI conference was the lack of classification of business method patents (a resesarch programme was proposed), which means that it would be a really bad idea to exclude something that we don't really know what it is. As long as business method patents are not properely classified, we can not exclude them. Q6. Regulations on regulations in not a good idea, but one measure to be able to study abuse of the patent system is compulsory registration of infringement claims, either at a national patent office or at an european patent survey institution. Perhaps that can stop fishy patent-holdup busineses. Economists regret that they are unable to study the informal economy of licencing, patent hold-ups and other threats. Very few patent disputes ends up in court where we can see them. Q7. Many inventions are brilliantly trivial! But the situation of an inventor is somewhat different from the daily work of a programmer. On a daily basis a fairy skilled programmer comes up with problem solutions that are one by one EPO-patentable, but the result of the whole complex structure of the complete computer program is generally not easily EPO-patentable. Many programmers think that EPO software patents are just obvious normal problem solutions, which they are "by default". Trivial software patentes can be avoided only by not granting patents on programs for computers as such. Q8. One reason is that open source projects in Sweden and Denmark so far are protected by copyright and that computer programs as such are not regarded as inventions. The patent policy change is quite new and basically initiated by the EPO. I think that Knut Blind from the Fraunhofer Institute found that most German software developers still think their intellectual property is protected by copyright (something they learned from the harmonisation of copyright law in 1990) and that it is only in the US that you can get a patent or be threatened by a patent. The same could well be true for Sweden and Denmark. But there are an increasing number of OSS projects being threatend and sometimes shut down by patent holders. The most famous Swedish case is BladeEnc: http://bladeenc.mp3.no/skeleton/oldnews.html (1998-09-20 The Fraunhofer situation). Unfortunatelly I do not have statistics at hand, but I think there has been a counting of patent threats sent to the public software developement site http://sourceforge.net/ IBM lawyer Fritz Teufel has also in public (LinuxTag 2001 Stuttgart) declared the IBM would not hesitate to litigate Open Source projects. One reason for the current seemingly peaceful co-existence is that that companies know that threathening Open Source projects with infringement claims gives very bad publicity. The threat is there for all software developers, but only Open Source developement has all programming secrets disclosed and can not hide. Q9. The question could also be asked, does copyright promote innovation? As far as I know the software industry has not stagnated from copyright protection. Microsoft, SAP and other big players all established their market positions without patents. In the case of a single product, BladeEnc is a perfect example of copyright protected innovation that created real competition in the market place. Monopolization of basic logical or mathematical problem solutions will stifle innovation, for the reason that such problem solutions are by definition impossible to "invent around". The same applies to monopolization of algorithms, or in the BladeEnc case, file conversion patents. The question also involves the basic premise for the patent system: innovation through knowledge diffusion. Innovation is supposed to be stimulated by making patented problem solutions known to the public. As far as I know, and there was also consensus on this issue at IFRI, software patents does not contribute at all to knowledge diffussion in the software industry. Many patent applications are even formulated as difficult as possible to make claims as broad as possible. It is worth noting that, unlike other fields, in the field of software and computer science references to the patent litterature in the techical and scientific journals are extremely rare. Q10. I am not sure, but I think not, because of lack of data and the intransparancy of the litigation business. But I think Iain Cockburn has shown that an approved patent is not visible in stock market value (new press release/commercial generates 7% increase). IFRI conference: http://cip.umd.edu/ifriworkshop2.htm However, it will definetely bring more jobs to the field of patent litigation. The Commissions analysis of the replies to the hearing it held on this issue also shows that 44% of replies with a positive attitude towards software patents come from IPR professionals. But IPR professionals do not innovate or develop, they are an overhead that will be needed for administration of software patents. Q11. In Sweden, a professional handeling of the reception alone of one patent infringement claim (valid or invalid) per company per year in the SME company sector 1-20 emplyees, will cost that segment 60 million Swedish crowns per year. Even for larger companies the burdon of patent administration is worriesome. In swedish: http://www.softwarepatenter.dk/wmdata.html Even more important is perhaps tax evation possabilities that may vary from different EU-countries, but that's an issue I don't know too much about. For SMEs the sheer number of software-related patents issued by the EPO is so high that it is virtually impossible for a person skilled in the art of computer science to read them all and also have time to do real development work. You have to have some patent staff to handle that. Most SMEs don't. SMEs are largely actually against the directive proposal. However many SMEs in the software industry are very dependent on one of the big players, like IBM or Microsoft, and may be reluctant to state their opinion in public. This is probably another reason why so much opposition seems to come from the Open Source movement. SMEs use this movement to state their opinion, without coming out in the open where they risk repercussions from large companies. I actually got some help whith the questions from a company producing only proprietary software. Q12. The impact of TRIPS, if the directive proposal is implemented, is probably unlimited patentability. This is due to article 3 in the directive. TRIPs does not allow member countries to have patent exceptions, like software on a diskette or business method software. Q13. The construction of the EPO with the diplomatic conferences and strange voting procedures are not compatible with the EU project. As far as I know there are difficult unsolved constitutional questions where the proposition to make EU a signature of EPC and thereby a member of the EPO is a sign of this complexity. I have even heard that you cannot go further than to a EPO TBA, not even to the European Court. That is why adopting a praxis that has evolved at the EPO is a step in the wrong direction. In the future the EU should be able to handle all legislative and executive powers of an european patent system. The implications of the directive would also be that any debate or hesitation to legalize the EPO praxis in the non-EU EPC countries may be interupted. It might be wise for the EU to ask these countries to state their opinion, and consider their arguments before deciding on this issue. Q14. If a completely new original and independent computer program can infringe on a patent on a "computer-implemented invention", I don't see how a decompiled version of a patented computer program would not. The decompilation and interoperability provisions are inconsistent with the whole idea of patent protection of computer programs.